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Feb. 27th, 2012 @ 05:09 am (no subject)


Shuddup. I know it's just a cartoon. It still made me feel.
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From:texas_preacher
Date:February 27th, 2012 11:03 am (UTC)
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OK, so I don't watch My Little Pony, nor am I involved in anything having to do with it, but..that is a moving little video.

So, what's the story? Fans of the show are upset because one of the characters is seems to be mentally deficient?

Someone fill me in please.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:February 27th, 2012 11:26 am (UTC)
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Derpy Pony is a fan name for a background character that has only appeared a few times. In the background. Fans kept making up stories and calling for her to be a named, speaking character. So the writers complied and apparently the some of the fans hate the voice and the personality given to the character.

ldsman
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From:rhjunior
Date:February 27th, 2012 12:25 pm (UTC)
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more specifically, the character finally had a speaking cameo....
only for the episode to be deleted from iTunes a day later.
And the fans went "What??"
And then was REuploaded--- with her voice changed, her name removed, and her eyes un-derped.
And the fans went "WHAT??"

And nobody, not Hasbro, not the animators, not anyone, is giving anybody a straight answer as to WHY. The ASSUMPTION is that some soccer-mom types decided that her goofy eyes and goofy voice were "offensive to the mentally handicapped" in some fashion and demanded a change.

Derpy happens to be a major fan favorite... she's been a background pony for most of the series, and she's gotten a major following... the fans gave her a name, a back story(mailmare, loves muffins), even a daughter (dinky hooves, a little gray-and-blonde unicorn, seen in crowd scenes as well). Having her put in foreground, then retconned, was like having your birthday cake taken away.
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From:talonotw
Date:February 27th, 2012 03:58 pm (UTC)
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It wasn't soccer moms, at least not the majority. 4chan and similar sites have a lot of anti-pony sentiment, and mounted a major mail-in campaign to complain to the companies, hoping to achieve exactly this result.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:February 27th, 2012 05:30 pm (UTC)
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It doesn't really matter who did this. It matters why it was done. Political correctness. That magical phrase that makes major companies pull half-baked stunts like this out of some vague attempt to keep from offending anyone.

Better change/remove Pinkie Pie for being manic-depressive, Twilight Sparkle for having OCD, Rainbow Dash for being a lesbian, Fluttershy for having rage issues, Applejack for being a redneck stereotype, or Rarity for...eh, screw it, we've axed everyone else. What's one more change?

Even more genius, let's just take the whole show off the air. Replace it with a white box in a white room with no sound, movement, or story whatsoever. Nobody'll get offended and profits will obviously go through the roof!

Brilliant!

(Yeah, kind of extreme, but this pissed me off good. I needed to vent.)
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From:deckardcanine
Date:February 29th, 2012 08:35 pm (UTC)
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Wasn't it 4chan that launched the brony phenomenon in the first place?
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From:talonotw
Date:February 29th, 2012 08:42 pm (UTC)
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Yeah, but that's not to say that everyone agrees or gets along. Most of the pro-pony sentiment started on /co/, while most of the anti- started and remained with /b/. /b/ was also the site of a large thread about a month ago chronicling multiple trolls' mail-in campaigns to hasbro and apple trying to get Derpy removed or censored. One poster claimed to have sent in over a hundred emails with spoofed addresses and IPs. Between the internet hate machine and the handful of parents who watched My Little Pony at 9am on the single time it aired, I think the trolls are the more likely culprit behind this.
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From:rhjunior
Date:March 1st, 2012 12:46 am (UTC)
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Typical. Those mongoloids on 4chan probably spend their formative years stamping on other children's toys.

If God has any justice to spare for such petty cruelty....
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From:cpt_tyrell
Date:February 27th, 2012 12:48 pm (UTC)
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I think this is actually meant to be a sort of joke.

Considering Derpy has a fan base that is probably larger than some of the main characters...Which isn't at all shabby for a background character that was given three lines of dialogue purely as fan-service. Most of the public reactions by viewers to the speaking roll were quite positive.

Though it is lampshading that the voice they went with made her sound...shall we say, "less than mentally able"? I think most still regard her as an affectionate and well meaning klutz though. But I'm sure there are still haters out there.

Haters Gotta!

BTW: Watch the show.
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From:cpt_tyrell
Date:February 27th, 2012 01:29 pm (UTC)
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Well, scratch that I guess. I had NO idea that iTunes or Hasbro had done any of the stuff Ralph mentioned.

Like I said, the reception by fans was basically positive. To include me. I mean, yeah I experimented the mild disappointment that anyone feels when a revealed voice isn't precisely what they were expecting to hear, but that happens any time I find out a character isn't being voiced by Liam Neeson...
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From:talonotw
Date:February 27th, 2012 03:56 pm (UTC)
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100% support on this one. At least it's been made clear that it was either Hasbro or Apple who censored her, not Studio B, and the animators plan to keep her around in the background, at least.
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From:nefaria
Date:February 27th, 2012 05:19 pm (UTC)
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Anyone with $10 to spare can buy the pre-nerf Derpy appearance from the Shout Factory DVD: http://www.amazon.com/My-Little-Pony-Friendship-Magic/dp/B0063FGF14/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1330363125&sr=8-1

The original clip is also up on YouTube, search for Derpy and The Last Roundup and it should show up.
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From:Nyxilis Mistwalker
Date:February 27th, 2012 05:43 pm (UTC)
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It's a PR flub anyways in that nobody official has said anything at all. It'd go over faster one or another if they finally just up and said something. I'm more inclined to believe it was Apple that had the change done. It's not unheard of them doing something like this before with other shows on iTunes. Especially since Hasbro let the DVD go through when they had plenty of time to send them a new show before it went into production. The DVD manufacturer said they didn't hear one thing from Hasbro and it's confirmed that it is intact there.

Hasbro just needs to hire someone a lot better at managing public relations.
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From:gothelittle
Date:February 27th, 2012 06:46 pm (UTC)
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"Hasbro just needs to hire someone a lot better at managing public relations."

Hasbro has had this problem with the My Little Pony line for DECADES.

Hey, I'm an old-timer. :) The first pony I ever bought new was Cotton Candy in 1983.
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From:Nyxilis Mistwalker
Date:February 27th, 2012 07:45 pm (UTC)
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True, they are a bit of a stick in the mud all around for years. I was a Transformers kid myself in that era, but my sister and a few girlfriends later on were fans of the earlier stuff. Which is why I can crack out names like Moondancer for the era of Cotton Candy or Toola-Roola later. Though, I will admit I didn't start following it myself till this latest generation. Because of the music... Art of the Dress, why did you have to be so enchanting. Blarg.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:February 27th, 2012 06:42 pm (UTC)

That music!

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The music is from the Dead Island trailer.

... I kept expecting zombies to pop up.
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From:whitetail
Date:February 27th, 2012 09:17 pm (UTC)
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I'm only a recent convert to the show, and I haven't even formally met Derpy yet, but this really tore my heart out.

I'm still trying to come to grips as to why FiM affects me as deeply as it does. Quite honestly, nothing I've seen on TV in the last 20 years has made me feel so consistently happy as this show and these characters do.
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From:rhjunior
Date:February 28th, 2012 01:19 am (UTC)
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Because it's... bright. hopeful. Cheerful. It touches on something so many people are aching for--- deep, abiding and meaningful friendships.

For the past ten to twenty years, ever since the advent of Ren and Stimpy and Beavis and Butthead, cartoons have had ugly art, bad animation, crude humor, and especially jerkass characters... MLP:FiM is a breath of fresh air in a world of cynical, snarky, hipster-wannabe animation companies and least-common denominator industry.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:February 28th, 2012 11:22 pm (UTC)
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Futurama is an interesting case study in this. I'm watching it now. I wouldn't call the animation ugly, but it definitely has jerkass characters. Some of them are, admittedly, funny. Yet when people list their favorite episodes, it's always the ones which emphasize character growth, development, and a strong sense of togetherness.

I love me some wry and cynical humor. Satire is great when its done right. But for humor to be dark it has to involve realistic characters we can empathize with, and there aren't many shows, animated or otherwise, which can create characters I would actually want to be. People I can cheer for and laugh with, not point and laugh at.

That said I can think of a wealth of animation over the past two decades which manages to have all these qualities. Not everything is Family Guy. Yet.
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From:nefaria
Date:February 28th, 2012 03:21 pm (UTC)
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It's got the same vibe that Fraggle Rock had. Some of us really need the variety of kindness this show offers.
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From:deckardcanine
Date:February 29th, 2012 08:41 pm (UTC)
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It sure does. Watch "The Bells of Fraggle Rock" and tell me if you don't think first of Hearth's Warming Eve and then, with the first song, "At the Gala."
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From:sledgomatic
Date:February 28th, 2012 04:42 am (UTC)
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The old voice didn't really fit, seeing as how the VA hadn't realized the character was supposed to be female (and had apparently decided to base it on a young neighbor's voice), but it had its charm. The new voice doesn't sound like a girl trying to sound like a boy, but it's meh. I've pretty much forgotten it already.
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From:kire_duhai
Date:February 28th, 2012 06:51 pm (UTC)
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Not being a 'brony', I had a different sort of reaction to this video...

"Wait... I know this music..."



"DEAD ISLAND TRAILER!"

I am now convinced that this music is a tear-jerker no matter what you put it with, 'cause I had the same reaction to the trailer. And it had zombies.
(A'course, the game itself wasn't too great, but the trailer was awesome, nonetheless)

Anyhoo... from the sound of it, yeah, poor Derpy got gypped. But look at it this way: Unless they bring her back, you'll always have the original airing as the 'canon', if you like. And I'll admit, this vid had me going "D'aaaw..." enough that it gave me the ever-so-slight impulse to check out the show. I probably won't follow up on it, though.

-Kire Du'Hai
From:(Anonymous)
Date:February 29th, 2012 03:25 am (UTC)
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Apparently it's not exactly clear whether it was iTunes or Hasbro who changed the episode.

As for the Dead Island song, I reacted exactly the same, except I kind of assumed it was going to be one of those subversive videos and zombies were going to show up.
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From:Nyxilis Mistwalker
Date:February 29th, 2012 10:03 am (UTC)
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And finally an official reply. It was Hasbro citing that a few thought it "Some viewers felt that aspects of the episode 'The Last Roundup' did not stay true to the core message of friendship which is the heart and soul of the series. Hasbro Studios decided to make slight audio alterations to this single episode.". And so what it really means is they removed someone thought to be disabled in their entirety. You know, because their not allowed if they are not perfect.
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From:rhjunior
Date:March 1st, 2012 12:48 am (UTC)
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it seems that 4chan trolls were responsible for the mail in campaign.

Bronies vs Anonymous. this is going to be horrible.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:March 1st, 2012 02:52 am (UTC)
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Not everyone on 4chan is Anonymous, 4chan has lots of bronies. It's more like bronies vs /b/tards
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From:tomyironmane
Date:March 1st, 2012 03:25 am (UTC)
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... are you TRYING to give me the heebie jeebies?

"Some viewers felt that aspects of the episode 'The Last Roundup' did not stay true to the core message of friendship which is the heart and soul of the series. Hasbro Studios decided to make slight audio alterations to this single episode."

Because judging people on the way they look or sound or their mental faculties worked so WELL last time. So, where IS the concentration corral? How many ponies will be sacrificed to Hasbro's Uberpony ideal?
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From:mousesquisher
Date:March 1st, 2012 01:03 am (UTC)
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When I first heard Derpy's voice I was like "What? She sounds like a guy..." but I wasn't upset by it. Then Tabitha admitted she thought Derpy was a guy and voiced accordingly. I was like "Okay, that makes sense." I enjoyed the scene and the upgraded Derpster.

I was a little surprised to find out they revoiced Derpy but I was fine with it, seeing it as correcting a mistake.

Then I saw they took out her name and uncrossed her eyes.

And daymares of Rick Berman and Brannon Braga flooded my mind D:<
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From:zarpaulus
Date:March 10th, 2012 03:03 am (UTC)
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I think one of the writers has offered an explanation.
http://www.savederpy.com/
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From:rhjunior
Date:March 10th, 2012 08:24 pm (UTC)
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Yes, I've read the explanation. It's the usual load of words that say neither yea nor nay that I've come to expect from people working in the public eye. "I can't even side with you because I'm an underling, so here are some platitudes."

Yeah, they'll keep Derpy. And the edits, where they took away her voice, her derpy eyes, and even her NAME. It felt like what it was; a touching tribute to the fans that was taken away at the last minute by some innard-less groupthink decision. For that moment every MLP fan was a six year old kid who'd been handed a great big ice cream cone, and then had it slapped out of their hands onto the sidewalk.