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Feb. 3rd, 2012 @ 01:52 pm Other MLP fan memes I hate
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From:rhjunior
Date:February 4th, 2012 03:47 am (UTC)
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..or maybe giving out a ticket-plus-one is standard procedure? Or she expected Twilight to bring a date?
And she may have expected twilight and her friends to liven things up a little, seeing as they're definitely not royalty or upper crust--- but I'm pretty sure she didn't expect them to nearly bring that wing of the castle down on everyone's heads.

And did Luna really strike you as the sort of pony to take a gentle hint that booming at the top of one's lungs was no longer de riguer? I don't mind the notion of Celestia being a bit of a prankster--- but "jerk troll" is a bit much to assume until we actually SEE her plotting to troll someone.
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From:cpt_tyrell
Date:February 4th, 2012 06:19 am (UTC)
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While maybe not a "jerk", per say, she has certainly proven herself to be a Manipulative Bastard.

In the first episode, her response to Twilight's warning sounds like a brush off. She basically tells her, "you need to get out more", and Twilight understandably infers that the princess doesn't believe her. Turns out, Celestia knew that sending her to make friends was the only way to defeat Nightmare Moon, and that's why she was sent away. Did she bother to let Twilight in on this plan?

Then there's the gala, where Celestia admits that she meant for them to cause a disturbance (how much of one is up for debate). Without letting them in on her expectations, she rightfully deduced that the Mane Six would be unable to "behave"(?) themselves, and cause a commotion. Presumably it was a large reason for the invitations in the first place, as Twilight had been her pupil for years and never before been invited.

The confrontation with Discord (thought he'll always be DisQord to me!) could even be argued as a plot engineered by Celestia. Why would Celestia need with weekly reports on what it means to have good friends? What use could they be to her? She wasn't having them consolidated into a more comprehensive volume, nor merely discarding them once read. Perhaps she intended them to be used if Twilight and friends needed a reminder during some great strife?

Keep in mind, nothing here is malevolent, and I'm not saying she does it with ill intent. It's all done in the best interests of Equestria and the Mane Six. However, one must wonder why Celestia never lets any of her "pawns" in on the plan; even during the plan...
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Date:February 5th, 2012 09:56 pm (UTC)

There are reasons, you know...

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In most cases, the reason she doesn't tell Twilight Sparkle *everything* is because doing so would mess things up. Had she let Twilight in on the plan to defeat Nightmare Moon, for example, a certain magical pony would have been trying to make friends to save Equestria... not making friends because she liked the ponies involved.

To be fair to Celestia on the matter of the G.G.Gala, stuffy, quiet parties with chamber music aren't for everyone. In fact, they're usually for *no one*, since it typically means the entire party is following a Tradition that was laid down long before. If anything, this shows Celestia likes the Mane Cast a lot more than she likes the people she *has* to invite.

OOC, the reports are an excuse for the Moral Moment. Otherwise, you have to shoehorn them in, like the old cartoons in the '80's did. IC, it's to get Twilight to contemplate what she's learned, digesting it down into something she can easily remember.

(And to be fair, as soon as Discord escaped, Celestia told Twilight everything that was going on. It didn't help much, but she told her...)

Just because someone's cryptic doesn't mean they're being purposefully manipulative.
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Date:February 5th, 2012 11:24 pm (UTC)

Re: There are reasons, you know...

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Celestia's plan for treating Twilight like a mushroom leading up to Nightmare Moon's return could have gone bad in so many ways. For starters, what was Twilight's initial plan? To rush through her official royal duties as fast as she could and completely ignore the command to 'make some friends'. She'd then hole up in the library trying to research the legend and what might happen. And her canon first response to having a location for the Elements? To run off *by herself* to get them.

It took five others wedging themselves into Twilgiht's life and plans for Celestia's plan to come off.
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From:rhjunior
Date:February 5th, 2012 11:40 pm (UTC)

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True. But narrative necessity, and all that.
We couldn't exactly watch Celestia take ten or twenty years carefully nudging the six elements together, now could we?

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From:delphshadow
Date:February 7th, 2012 09:01 am (UTC)
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I've always thought it was perfectly natural and in-character for Celestia to have an impish/prankster side. Especially with her sister since her established character traits (kindness, patience, almost maternal affection towards the "Mane Six") sort of preclude nastiness in the kind of conflict that's normal in sibling relationships. So if the conflict isn't nasty, it's natural to assume that it's in the form of light teasing, jokes, pranks, and the like.