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Feb. 3rd, 2012 @ 01:52 pm Other MLP fan memes I hate
-- Berry Punch the town drunk. Background pony takes a drink from the punch bowl. At a CHILDREN'S PARTY. within 24 hours she's labeled the town lush by "fans." And in that vein....

---Ponies getting drunk on salt. They had one "western" episode where we saw a saloon called "the Salt Lick." This was done in the same spirit that saloons in Australia were called "Billabongs" or in America were called "Watering Holes," aka a place where folks were liable to gather. Horses and other animals gather at salt outcroppings because salt is a necessary nutrient and their diet contains little of it naturally. While eating excessive amounts of salt can make a horse sick or even KILL them (just like any other creature), "drunk" is not one of the possible outcomes.

Trollestia, Molestia, Emo-lestia, Evilestia. For all that she's canonically kind, benevolent, happy and dignified, fanfic writers seem determined to portray Princess Celestia as a thoughtless jerk, a raging pervert, an angsty emo, or a baby-eating villain. At most, she's a mild prankster, and that's stretching assumptions based on one joke she's pulled in the entire two seasons of the show.

OCD Rarity. read up on mental disorders before assigning them to characters. OCD is a hell of a lot more than "prissy and fussy."
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From:zarpaulus
Date:February 3rd, 2012 10:57 pm (UTC)
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1. Horses have a really high tolerance for alcohol anyways.

4. Rarity may have a few obsessive-compulsive behaviors but Twilight's clearly the OCD one.
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From:rhjunior
Date:February 4th, 2012 03:42 am (UTC)
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No, not even twilight.
OCD is not "neat and fussy" nor is it "excessively orderly." No more than Tourettes is "swearing lots."
OCD is a condition where the sufferer is driven by an unexplained and irrational impulse to perform certain repetitive actions and/or is afflicted by repetitive irrational thoughts or ideas. Rarity is fussy and Twilight is a control freak. But neither of them is even remotely OCD.
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From:zarpaulus
Date:February 4th, 2012 04:34 am (UTC)
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"Unexplained and irrational impulse to perform certain repetitive actions and/or is afflicted by repetitive irrational thoughts or ideas."
Like in "Lesson Zero" when she thought if she didn't send a report on a lesson about friendship she learned each week she'd be sent back to kindergarten?
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From:benschachar_77
Date:February 4th, 2012 06:37 am (UTC)
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Uh...no. Not by a long shot. If anything, she's desperate to meet Celestia's expectations It's more like this: John has to wash his hands three times, turn the light switches on and off four times, and situate himself in the exact center of his bed when he goes to sleep or else he'll stay up obsessing over those things.
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From:rhjunior
Date:February 4th, 2012 08:16 am (UTC)
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no, not even close.

Imagine... imagine for a minute that you had this nagging feeling every time you crossed a threshold that you just had to make a particular hand-sign. No, more than a feeling, a deep and irresistible urge to do so. You know that it's irrational, you know that it's just your messed up brain pulling a trick on you, but you can't help but do it anyway, or you get more and more panicky and anxious... yet ironically performing that hand-sign increases your anxiety because you KNOW it's irrational and still can't resist.

Or imagine if, every time you did the laundry, you had the absolute certain conviction that instead of laundry soap, you'd just dumped feces into the machine. You know it's a ridiculous thought but you still can't shake it. to the point you have to open the machine a half-dozen times and look in, just to be sure...

cleaning, object counting, hand washing, intrusive thoughts, uncontrollable repetitive impulses.... THIS is OCD.
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From:mousesquisher
Date:February 8th, 2012 10:39 pm (UTC)
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When I worked in a pizza kitchen, one of the chores was filling salsa dip cups. I'd set up the cups 6 in a circle, 1 in the middle, they all had to be touching. If they weren't all touching, I'd fiddle around with them until they were--the one in the middle had to be touched by each of the 6 around it and each of the outer ones had to also be touching the two outer ones beside it. If someone else was doing it and they stepped away, I would quickly reorganise their cups into this order. If they had an odd number of cups, I would get enough cups to complete the pattern. I knew it was stupid. I asked myself 'Why am I doing this?' but I simply couldn't start pouring the salsa if the cups weren't 'right'.
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From:talonotw
Date:February 4th, 2012 02:23 am (UTC)
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I have to defend Trollestia a bit. While it's true she only pulled one on-screen prank, she did pull a really good one on Twi in The Ticket Master, since she knew that Twi had five very close friends, and yet only sent one extra ticket.
Jury's out on how much she foresaw what happened at the Gala, but seeing as us non-immortals saw it coming half a season away, and her comments at the end of the episode, I'm inclined to think it was quite a bit. And there's no way she didn't intentionally let Luna keep using the royal voice for a year and change.

Or maybe I'm not quite getting what you're saying. Is it like the whole 'grimdark' issue, because on that one it seems like you're not upset at all grimdark, since anything that isn't sunshine and lollipops gets that label, but only the shock-value grimdark?
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From:rhjunior
Date:February 4th, 2012 03:47 am (UTC)
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..or maybe giving out a ticket-plus-one is standard procedure? Or she expected Twilight to bring a date?
And she may have expected twilight and her friends to liven things up a little, seeing as they're definitely not royalty or upper crust--- but I'm pretty sure she didn't expect them to nearly bring that wing of the castle down on everyone's heads.

And did Luna really strike you as the sort of pony to take a gentle hint that booming at the top of one's lungs was no longer de riguer? I don't mind the notion of Celestia being a bit of a prankster--- but "jerk troll" is a bit much to assume until we actually SEE her plotting to troll someone.
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From:cpt_tyrell
Date:February 4th, 2012 06:19 am (UTC)
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While maybe not a "jerk", per say, she has certainly proven herself to be a Manipulative Bastard.

In the first episode, her response to Twilight's warning sounds like a brush off. She basically tells her, "you need to get out more", and Twilight understandably infers that the princess doesn't believe her. Turns out, Celestia knew that sending her to make friends was the only way to defeat Nightmare Moon, and that's why she was sent away. Did she bother to let Twilight in on this plan?

Then there's the gala, where Celestia admits that she meant for them to cause a disturbance (how much of one is up for debate). Without letting them in on her expectations, she rightfully deduced that the Mane Six would be unable to "behave"(?) themselves, and cause a commotion. Presumably it was a large reason for the invitations in the first place, as Twilight had been her pupil for years and never before been invited.

The confrontation with Discord (thought he'll always be DisQord to me!) could even be argued as a plot engineered by Celestia. Why would Celestia need with weekly reports on what it means to have good friends? What use could they be to her? She wasn't having them consolidated into a more comprehensive volume, nor merely discarding them once read. Perhaps she intended them to be used if Twilight and friends needed a reminder during some great strife?

Keep in mind, nothing here is malevolent, and I'm not saying she does it with ill intent. It's all done in the best interests of Equestria and the Mane Six. However, one must wonder why Celestia never lets any of her "pawns" in on the plan; even during the plan...
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Date:February 5th, 2012 09:56 pm (UTC)

There are reasons, you know...

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In most cases, the reason she doesn't tell Twilight Sparkle *everything* is because doing so would mess things up. Had she let Twilight in on the plan to defeat Nightmare Moon, for example, a certain magical pony would have been trying to make friends to save Equestria... not making friends because she liked the ponies involved.

To be fair to Celestia on the matter of the G.G.Gala, stuffy, quiet parties with chamber music aren't for everyone. In fact, they're usually for *no one*, since it typically means the entire party is following a Tradition that was laid down long before. If anything, this shows Celestia likes the Mane Cast a lot more than she likes the people she *has* to invite.

OOC, the reports are an excuse for the Moral Moment. Otherwise, you have to shoehorn them in, like the old cartoons in the '80's did. IC, it's to get Twilight to contemplate what she's learned, digesting it down into something she can easily remember.

(And to be fair, as soon as Discord escaped, Celestia told Twilight everything that was going on. It didn't help much, but she told her...)

Just because someone's cryptic doesn't mean they're being purposefully manipulative.
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Date:February 5th, 2012 11:24 pm (UTC)

Re: There are reasons, you know...

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Celestia's plan for treating Twilight like a mushroom leading up to Nightmare Moon's return could have gone bad in so many ways. For starters, what was Twilight's initial plan? To rush through her official royal duties as fast as she could and completely ignore the command to 'make some friends'. She'd then hole up in the library trying to research the legend and what might happen. And her canon first response to having a location for the Elements? To run off *by herself* to get them.

It took five others wedging themselves into Twilgiht's life and plans for Celestia's plan to come off.
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From:rhjunior
Date:February 5th, 2012 11:40 pm (UTC)

Re: There are reasons, you know...

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True. But narrative necessity, and all that.
We couldn't exactly watch Celestia take ten or twenty years carefully nudging the six elements together, now could we?

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From:delphshadow
Date:February 7th, 2012 09:01 am (UTC)
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I've always thought it was perfectly natural and in-character for Celestia to have an impish/prankster side. Especially with her sister since her established character traits (kindness, patience, almost maternal affection towards the "Mane Six") sort of preclude nastiness in the kind of conflict that's normal in sibling relationships. So if the conflict isn't nasty, it's natural to assume that it's in the form of light teasing, jokes, pranks, and the like.
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From:cpt_tyrell
Date:February 4th, 2012 06:00 am (UTC)

OT: TOTQ

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Given the direction your plot seems about to take, if you haven't already stumbled upon these books, I would recommend David Weber's "Safehold" series. I think you'd enjoy them.

A nice mix of sci-fi, Age of Sail, and political intrigue.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:February 5th, 2012 10:20 pm (UTC)

Berry Punch

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To be fair to the fanfic crowd, Berry Punch drew everyone's attention because every other pony was drinking with cups. Considering it's at (as you pointed out) a children's party, though, all it speaks to is a lack of manners. (Backwash, yuck!)
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From:crazyredemu
Date:February 6th, 2012 12:56 pm (UTC)
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People always seem to take someones main personality trate and max it out to eleven in fan fictions.
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From:rhjunior
Date:February 7th, 2012 12:00 am (UTC)
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more to the case, they take attributes that DON'T EVEN EXIST....
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From:crazyredemu
Date:February 7th, 2012 03:59 am (UTC)
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That too, also if no one can just be friends with anyone, nope, they are gay for each other, even if it's straight they are gay for each other.